The two friends that E. Jean Carroll trusted after she was allegedly raped by Donald Trump in a dressing room in Bergdorf Goodman, have gone into history to confirm her claims.
Lisa Birnbach, the best-selling author of The Official Preppy Handbook, and former WCBS television anchor Carol Martin talked to New York Times reporter Meghan Twohey about The daily, revealing new details about the alleged attack of their friend.
The conversation between the women and Carroll itself also shed light on why it was those two women who decided to call the advisory columnist, now 76, that day.
Martin was near someone who had recently gone out with Trump, while Birnbach had just returned from profiling at Mar-a-Lago for New York.
That revelation about Birnbach along with the fact that her story was released in the February 12, 1996 issue, strongly suggests that the alleged attack took place in the fall of 1995 rather than the spring of the following year.
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Corroborate: Lisa Birnbach (left), the best-selling author of The Official Preppy Handbook, and former WCBS television anchor Carol Martin (right) spoke to The New York Times
Denial: President Trump has denied Carroll's allegations three times and says Monday & # 39; she is not my type & # 39; (Trump and his prosecutor above at a 1987 party with their spouses)
Birnbach was the first person to call Carroll, just after she was allegedly able to defeat the attacker and leave the store.
& # 39; I remember that she repeatedly said he had cut down my pantyhose & # 39 ;, said Birnbach, recalling that Carroll could not stop laughing.
According to Birnbach, it was a contagious smile, telling how she laughed, believing that Carroll's panty was pulled down, the most serious violation of the counter.
Then Carroll continued with her story.
& # 39; Honestly, you said he put his penis in me, & # 39; said Birnbach.
& # 39; And I said, "What, he raped you?"
Birnbach then began to convince her friends to go to the police and submit a report, but Carroll refused to even consider the idea.
& # 39; Come to my house! & # 39; Birnbach said.
"No, I want to go home," Carroll replied.
& # 39; I'll take you to the police! & # 39; Birnbach promised.
& # 39; No, it was 15 minutes of my life, it's over. Never tell anyone else. & # 39;
Birnbach then said that Carroll believed she had the alleged attack & # 39; encouraged & # 39 ;.
& # 39; I know, & # 39; Carroll shouted in response to her friend.
& # 39; I know I did it. & # 39;
Carroll chose instead to drive home and get into bed.
She told Martin one to three days after the incident, and the experienced anchor noted that the Caroll & # 39; it handled & # 39 ;.
& # 39; She doesn't fall apart easily, Martin explained.
& # 39; It was not like she started crying or something that reacted to it in a freakish way. & # 39;
Martin then instructed Carroll not to go to the police.
& # 39; I said, "Don't tell anyone, I wouldn't tell anyone.
Even more striking is that the women never spoke about the incident again, not even during the elections;
When asked why she didn't come forward and accused Trump during his campaign, he said: “Shocking as it sounds, I thought it would help him. And shocking as it sounds, I was right. & # 39;
When asked why she thought it would help, Carroll said: & # 39; Because it's a masculine, powerful, leader-like thing to do what you want, as many women as you can. & # 39;
Repeat: President Trump again denied that he sexually assaulted writer E Jean Carroll in an interview with The Hill on Monday.
Nemesis: Mayor Bill de Blasio said on Saturday: "The moment we have a complaint in New York City and our police, we will investigate it immediately & # 39; (the Blasio above in November 2016 outside Trump Tower)
President Trump denied Carroll's allegations three times since Friday.
& # 39; I will say it with great respect: number one, she is not my type. Number two, it never happened. It never happened, okay? & # 39; President Trump told it The hill.
In the same interview, he also doubled his claim that he and Carroll had never met, despite a photo that brought the couple into conversation during an event in 1987.
He previously rejected this photo on Saturday by saying: & Stand on a line – give me a break – with my back to the camera. I have no idea who she is. & # 39;
President Trump & # 39; s third denial of these allegations came after Carroll revealed that she would consider charges against him, and Mayor Bill de Blasio promised a full investigation of her claims once a report was ever filed with the police.
& # 39; Totally lying. I don't know anything about her. I don't know anything about this woman. I don't know anything about her, & Trump claimed Monday.
& # 39; She is – it's just a terrible thing that people can make such statements. & # 39;
Mayor de Blasio was in South Carolina on the weekend as he stepped up his performances in the run-up to the first debate in the presidential primary season.
There he was asked about Carroll's allegations, the day after her story first came in New York.
& # 39; As soon as we have a complaint in New York City and our police station, we will investigate it immediately. We will discover the truth, & de Blasio said.
He also mentioned the allegations against Trump & # 39; the most serious charge & # 39 ;.
His words seem to have resulted in a change of heart for Carroll, who was still skeptical about a formal complaint that led to possible repercussions for President Trump in an interview broadcast on New Day on Monday morning.
There was a five-year statute when Carroll claimed, however, that she was being abused, which was later lifted by lawmakers in 2006 for all reports of first-degree rape.
In New York a person can be accused of that most serious offense by forcing & # 39; the victim to use physical force or the threat of immediate death, physical injury or abduction & # 39 ;, engaging in sexual intercourse with a person who & # 39; is unable to consent due to reason, & # 39; or if the person is a minor.
However, the Supreme Court ruled in Stronger v. California that even if the statute of restrictions for reporting a crime has been changed by legislators, a person cannot be retroactively convicted of a crime.
This would not have been the case if Carroll had reported the alleged attack on the police at that time, but it was clear that she had not informed law enforcement.
On Friday, Carroll said she would not consider a charge in an interview on MSNBC.
& # 39; I would find it disrespectful to the women on the border who are raped all day without any protection, & # 39; said Carroll.
& # 39; They are young women. These women have very little protection there and it would just be disrespectful. & # 39;
And while she also described what happened as & # 39; a fight & # 39; and said it hurt & # 39; and & # 39; against my will & # 39 ;, she still feels she was able to handle the situation.
& # 39; Mine was three minutes, I am a mature woman, I can handle it, I can continue. My life has gone on, I'm a happy woman, & Carroll explained.
& # 39; But for the women down there, and for the women actually all over the world, this is going on in any culture, no matter how high society is or low in society, it just seems disrespectful, it just makes no sense for me. & # 39;
O & # 39; Donnell asked her to talk about the consequences of the event and how she could handle the alleged attack and eventually move on.
It doesn't hurt at all. It hurt a bit that day, but I very quickly – or I think soon – I think I got over it very quickly, & # 39; Carroll told O & # 39; Donnell.
& # 39; Because my whole business is behind you, enjoy life. Go enjoy life, it's a Smorgasbord. Live an adventurous life, do not lock yourself in the house. Let's go Jean. Get up, don't be nonsense. Let's go. & # 39;
Her claims do share a number of similarities with President Trump's remarks about the infamous & # 39; p **** gate tape & # 39; and allegations by Ivana Trump, who accused her ex-husband of rape, but then fell back on that allegation.
Carroll, now 75, whose advice column has appeared in Elle for the past 26 years, claims that she was sexually assaulted by Trump in her new book What Do We Need Men For? A modest proposal.
She has shared the story – and five others – with New York in a piece that also explains how Les Moonves reportedly enchanted her in an elevator and refers to an incident of sexual misconduct involving her former boss Roger Ailes.
Carroll appears on the cover of the magazine in the same coat she claimed to wear on that day in the fall of 1995 or the spring of 1996, when a chance encounter with Trump was reportedly an assault.
Trump was said to have married Marla Maples at that time and Carroll is now the 16th woman accusing the president of sexual misconduct.
He also recently welcomed a fourth child in 1993, daughter Tiffany.
Close by: Bergdorf Goodman (above) is just a block from Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue
Family: Trump was said to have married Marla Maples at the time, who had a daughter (Tiffany) in 1993 (above)
The White House responded to Carroll's allegations by stating: & # 39; This is a completely false and unrealistic story that pops up 25 years after the alleged occurrence and is simply made to make the president appear bad. & # 39;
A heated Trump later explained this statement with his own comments on Friday afternoon.
& # 39; I have never met this person in my life. She is trying to sell a new book – that should indicate her motivation. It should be sold in the fiction part, & Trump said.
& # 39; Be ashamed of those who come up with false stories to try to get publicity for themselves, or to sell a book, or to set up a political agenda. & # 39;
He further noted the lack of evidence, in particular that there were no eyewitnesses or video footage of the alleged attack.
He added: & # 39; Ms. Carroll & New York Magazine: No photos & # 39; s? No supervision? No video? No reports? No sales staff around ?? I want to thank Bergdorf Goodman for confirming that they have no video footage of such an incident because it never happened. & # 39;
Carroll recorded a photo in which Trump told her at an event in the article, to which he replied: & # 39; Standing with my coat on a line. Give me a break. With my back to the camera. & # 39;
Carroll claims she was on her way to the store when Trump asked her for help with a gift and led her to the lingerie department.
She also notes that he looked handsome on the day in question and wrote: & # 39; I'm surprised how handsome he is. We have met each other before and maybe it is the dim light, but it looks better than ever. & # 39;
Carroll was currently working on a daily talk show called Ask E Jean for Ailes' Talking cable network, attracting Trump & # 39; s attention.
& # 39; Hey, you are that advice lady! & # 39; said Trump according to Carroll.
That was allegedly followed by a request from the real estate developer, whose Trump Tower is only one block south of Bergdorf Goodman.
& # 39; Come and advise me. I have to buy a gift, & said Trump, Carroll said, trying to pinpoint some ideas in the store's main lobby.
When they were all fired by Trump, she asked about the age of the woman he was looking for, which led him to ask her the same question.
She was 52 at the time, two years older than Trump, and when she told him he was allegedly laughing and said, "You are so old."
He then said & # 39; lingerie & # 39 ;, according to Carroll, and the couple went upstairs to that ward.
Once there, Carroll claims that she is trying to spread repeated attempts to get her to model a wearing model by trying Trump in a nearby dressing room.
It was when they went to one of those rooms that the alleged attack took place.
Walk and talk: Carroll leads Hideous Men tours through the city, where she stops at Trump Tower (above the building with one group)
Nothing wrong: E Jean Carroll says she would not file a complaint against President Trump for attacking her in what would probably be a first-degree rape (Carroll above in 1996)
& # 39; As soon as the dressing room door is closed, he falls to me, pushes me against the wall, hits my head pretty badly and puts his mouth to my lips. I'm so shocked that I put him back and smile again, & Carroll writes.
& # 39; He grabs both of my arms and pushes me a second time against the wall, and while I am aware of how tall he is, he holds me against the wall with his shoulder and puts his hand under my coat and pulls my tights. & # 39;
She continues: & # 39; I am surprised at what I am going to write: I keep smiling. The next moment, still dressed in the right business clothes, shirt, tie, jacket, overcoat, he opens the overcoat, unzips his pants and pushes his fingers around my private area, pushes his penis halfway – or not at all, I'm not sure – in me. & # 39;
Carroll claims that she fought against Trump before she could flee the dressing room and the store.
She did not report the alleged attack on the police, but told two friends she said and since then she has saved the dress.
The first, which is not mentioned but is described as a & # 39; a journalist, a magazine writer, correspondent on the TV morning shows, author of many books & # 39 ;, said & # 39; He raped you. He raped you. Go to the police! I'm going with you. We will go together. & # 39;
The second, a New York anchor woman, answered: & # 39; Don't tell anyone. Never mind! He has 200 lawyers. He will bury you. & # 39;
New York spoke to those friends and noted that & # 39; both still clearly remember the incident and confirmed their bills & # 39 ;.
Carroll also acknowledged the fact that it took her 25 years to share her story, with a few reasons she hesitated to come forward.
& # 39; Receiving death threats, being driven out of my house, being fired, being dragged through the mud, and becoming a member of the 15 women who have presented credible stories of how the man grabbed them, darted them, made them small, maltreated, molested and maltreated, just to see how the man turned it around, denied it, threatened it and attacked it, it never sounded as much fun, & Caroll explained.
& # 39; I am also a coward. & # 39;
She now joins a list of accusers, including: Jessica Leeds, Kristin Anderson, Jill Harth, Cathy Heller, Temple Taggart McDowell, Karena Virginia, Melinda McGillivray, Rachel Crooks, Natasha Stoynoff, Jessica Drake, Ninni Laaksonen, Summer Zervos, Juliet Huddy, Alva Johnson and Cassandra Searles.
Her decision to remain silent is a bit of a surprise, given that she led Hideous Men trips around New York, where she stops at Trump Tower.
Other stops are the Fox News studios & # 39; s and Rockefeller Center.
However, it is Trump who most closely resembles Carroll, because he is her & # 39; last horrible man & # 39; used to be.
& # 39; Since that evening, the Donna Karan jacket dress is still hanging on the back of my wardrobe door, unworn and unpainted, & Carroll reveals.
& # 39; And whether it is my age, the fact that in the last few decades I have never met anyone fascinating enough to & # 39; to feel the juice that comes up, like Tom Wolfe said, or that it is the stain of the real estate magnate, I can't say. But I never had sex with anyone again. & # 39;
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