Swimmer and women’s sports advocate Riley Gaines has revealed that her trans competitor, Lia Thomas, is so well endowed that she had to “refrain from looking” at her crotch in the locker room they shared at a race.
in a tell all podcast with Bill Maher which is scheduled to drop on Sunday, Gaines repeatedly refuses to state the length of Thomas’ appendage, saying only that it is proportional to the frame of a “6-foot-4 male.”
Since drawing against Thomas in the 2022 NCAA Championship, Gaines has said that allowing a biological male to compete against female athletes was unfair, and that switching alongside her in the locker room was awkward.
“That was a situation I tried to refrain from looking at entirely,” Gaines says on the Club Random podcast, the transcript of which was received by DailyMail.com ahead of its release.
Riley Gaines sat down with Bill Maher for his Club Random podcast and revealed all about his experiences in the locker room.
Trans athlete Lia Thomas has an appendix that is in proportion to the body of a “6-foot-4 male,” Gaines says.
We can’t stop looking at it. Being in that space with a man is like a serious car accident.
Maher repeatedly asks Gaines to talk more about the physique of Thomas, who joined the University of Pennsylvania women’s swim team after competing for three years on the men’s team.
“I was trying to run away from this question,” Gaines replies.
6 foot 4 inch male. He uses your imagination,’ he adds.
Gaines has become one of America’s strongest voices against allowing biological men to compete against women, saying their greater strength and stamina make racing unfair and even futile.
It’s part of a larger debate about whether trans women should be allowed to join women’s sports teams, use women’s bathrooms, or even serve prison sentences in women’s lockups.
Gaines and other critics say it is neither safe nor fair, and serves to ‘erase’ women.
“I think even using the term trans woman is giving Thomas some of our language as women,” she says on the podcast.
“I think the trans woman is a subset of men. I don’t think trans women are women.’
At the March 2022 championships in Atlanta, Thomas won the women’s 500-yard freestyle, becoming the first trans woman to claim a national title in swimming, and becoming a symbol of trans athletes, drawing both opposition and support.
Last year, Lia Thomas became the first trans woman to win an NCAA swimming title, beating out biological women like Riley Gaines.
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Trans rights activists say that trans women are real women, that they should be included in sports, and that they do not have an advantage over biological women because they suffer a lot of discrimination.
In the same episode, Gaines discusses other views on gender, including how men have become less masculine in recent decades and the motivations that drive trans influencer Dylan Mulvaney.
Mulvaney has drawn 10.7 million followers to his 365 Days of Girlhood TikTok series, which charts his transition from bubbly gay youth to ‘girl’, while promoting cosmetics, clothing and other products.
“Dylan Mulvaney is doing this for clicks and likes,” says Gaines.
Gaines, who hails from Tennessee and swam for the University of Kentucky team, also says American society needs “more masculine men” and praises World War II fighters.
“That was the last time we had strong men,” she says.
‘Think about this, 1940, World War II. The men lied about their age to get in to enlist. Now, in 2023, we have men lying about their sex to get into women’s sports or women’s prisons or domestic shelters or sororities or bathrooms, locker rooms.
She blames society for redefining “masculinity as toxic, bad, and undesirable.”
“We need men to protect us and provide for us,” adds Gaines, who is married to Louis Barker.
I want a man who will support me.
