A popular progressive streamer has been ridiculed after ranting about the definition of a woman.
Destiny, whose real name is Steven Kenneth Bonnell II, who attracts 3 million viewers to his YouTube channel, said defining a woman was “incredibly complicated” and “depends on the circumstances.”
He compared the question to considering “what makes a table a table” and whether or not a hot dog qualifies as a sandwich.
Activists have criticized the Internet personality’s “rambling” explanation, describing it as ‘a reflection of a society that has lost its way.’
Jay Richards, a researcher at the right-wing Heritage Foundation, told DailyMail.com that the question of what a woman is is “easy for anyone who is not enslaved by gender ideology.”
“A woman is an adult human woman.”
Progressive streamer Destiny, whose real name is Steven Kenneth Bonnell II, appeared on TwinsPod, hosted by identical twin brothers known as Hodgetwins, where he took a full two minutes to define a woman.
The twin brothers could not hide their amusement at their guest’s struggle to define the term.
Bonell, best known for his video games, made the comments on TwinsPod, hosted by identical twin brothers known as the Hodgetwins, who have more than three million subscribers on Youtube.
The conversation covered several different topics, including Joe Biden, Destiny’s sexuality, and transgenderism.
At one point in the interview, the twins asked: ‘What is a woman to you?’
Destiny responded, “It really depends on the circumstances,” but added that “they tend to dress a certain way, they tend to have certain hair, they tend to exhibit certain features, they tend to have certain body parts.”
Stella O’Malley, a psychotherapist and director of campaign group Genspect, said the YouTuber was clearly getting “tangled”.
“I think this man knows that a woman is an adult human woman: we all know that,” she said.
During the conversation, Destiny strangely relates a philosophical concept called qualia, which he says is “what it’s like to experience something.”
“Behind you is a red curtain,” he told the podcast hosts. ‘If you have never seen the color red before and I say there is a red curtain behind you, I will never be able to express what that qualia is to you. You won’t know unless you experience it well.
‘So there are things that we experience and when we have two brains, I can never really send them an idea. I can not do it. It’s impossible, because our brains are separate.
Destiny said that instead, people use words and hope that other people have their own experience that they can relate to and understand the meaning of the word.
‘So when I say, oh, this blanket is so soft, you might think it’s soft like a dog, or a kitten, or a pillow.’ You have other experiences that correspond with that, right?
Richards, of the Heritage Foundation, told DailyMail.com: ‘Fate’s response is a perfect illustration of the danger of knowing too little about philosophy. It treats the question of what a woman is as something so complex that it cannot really be answered. It invokes qualia: the contents of our first-person experience. But this has nothing to do with anything.
‘The question was not: “What is it like to be a woman?” The original question is easy for anyone who is not a slave to gender ideology. A woman is an adult human woman.
But Destiny explained that experiences don’t always match.
‘In all the language we use, when we say words, there are a lot of associated concepts that appear when we say those words. Now, it is possible that they do not correspond clearly to some Platonic and universal form of a thing,” he stated.
‘So, for example, when I say table and I tell you to define a table, you will never be able to give me a definition that covers all tables and excludes all things that are not tables. Do they always have four legs? Is it something you can sit on or not? It’s really complicated.
“So when you say what a woman is, well, when you say woman, depending on the context, it illuminates a lot of concepts,” she continued.
Destiny added: “So it really depends on the circumstances, right?”
One of the twins chimed in: “When someone says woman, I think of tits and vagina.”
To which Destiny said, “Um, sure, maybe.”
He added: “When you see someone in a shop, you never see their genitals. You have no idea.
The podcasting duo said they could tell Destiny was a man just by looking at him.
“I might have the tightest bondage in the damn world hiding these 32 double D’s,” Destiny replied.
“You’re making that assessment based on my voice, probably my beard, maybe my body shape, but you’re not actually looking at my genitals.”
We don’t normally define gender, Destiny said.
“When we use words, we don’t have strict definitions of what a word is,” he said, adding, “We even joke about it, like, is a hot dog a sandwich?”
“How crazy is it that sandwiches are things that everyone is familiar with, but you can’t really give a strict definition of what a sandwich is.”
Politics-focused streamer Destiny, who has nearly a quarter of a million followers on Twitter, was banned from streaming platform Twitch in March 2022.
Destiny himself said the ban could have been related to his comments about transgender women. During a Twitch livestream, she stated that trans women should not compete with cis women in women’s athletics.
The CDC has previously been criticized for replacing the word “woman” with the vaguer term “pregnant people” in its health guidelines.
In December 2023, the removal of the term woman was noted in recommendations for a series of respiratory virus vaccines for pregnant women.
A doctors’ organization said the CDC was “cowering to political forces” at the expense of good medical advice.